tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3314914268727443114.post5354072804553418810..comments2023-10-31T12:43:06.690-04:00Comments on NishmaBlog: The Hanukkah I Hanukkah II Hypothesis - Part 3Nishmahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04237299801109329429noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3314914268727443114.post-1907110114061135252011-12-28T08:56:33.160-05:002011-12-28T08:56:33.160-05:00R' Hecht,
Thanks for spelling that out, in pa...R' Hecht,<br /><br />Thanks for spelling that out, in particular the last paragraph. Recent exchanges have led me to realize that despite my best efforts, I seem to sound like I'm arguing when in reality I am giving a minor riff on the same theme.<br /><br />-michamicha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3314914268727443114.post-49966560518066639192011-12-28T08:29:40.565-05:002011-12-28T08:29:40.565-05:00First, I want to say that I like both vorts -- the...First, I want to say that I like both vorts -- the idea of public miracle and the comparison to the conquests.<br /><br />With the idea of public miracle, I am just wondering if this could actually the essence of the pshat in the Maharal. Indeed it was the public miracle of the wars that was the basis of the holiday but it was the private recount of what happened inside the Beis HaMikdash that was mgaleh the true nature of the war neis. <br /><br />This approach actually also fits in nicely with Rabbi Wolpoe's approach. It was always about the neis -- just how we spoke of the neis changed because of the circumstances.<br /><br />RBHNishmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04237299801109329429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3314914268727443114.post-44820659587220617892011-12-27T11:40:36.710-05:002011-12-27T11:40:36.710-05:00Which means that Beis Hillel's position has to...Which means that Beis Hillel's position has to be explained without recourse to saying the miracle increased with each day -- the focus wasn't on the miracle yet.<br /><br />Li nir'eh the initial lack of attention to the miracle makes sense: how many people could have witnesses it? The menorah is inside a room only the kohanim who reached the BHMQ could have entered. And when do we ever have a holiday about a miracle that isn't a national event?<br /><br />OTOH, the war aspect was part of the general tenor of megillas Taanis, and would evaporate when the rest of the megillah did. That aspect reminds me of the difference between the two batei miqdash: the current holiness of the Temple Mount is due to the 2nd commonwealth -- when Jews settled the land and lived as Jews. The holiness established in Yehoshua's day -- that which was founded by conquering is repealed by conquering. The military aspect of Chanukah similarly disappears with the Roman military victory. But the doing-the-mitzvah aspect endures.micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.com