Sunday 22 June 2008

HHH Artscroll Contradiction

Originally published 6/22/08, 12:27 AM.
Disclaimer:
In general: I am a big fan of Artscroll in these areas:
  1. Liturgy
  2. Torah She'b'al Peh TSBP [viz. Mishnh and Talmud]
I have some significant reservations regarding their works in Tanach, but with the above areas I am very pleased and happy. But even excellence can leave room for improvement. I do NOT mean to slam Artscroll at all. Just to fix a few errors

  • In the Artscroll Schottenstein, Talmud Hullin 104b4 footnote 28 re: "ho'omer davar besheim omro" Schottenstein attributes this to a MISHNA in Avoth 6:6
  • If you look at Artscroll Avoth, you will see that the ENTIRE Chapter 6 is composed of Brasisoss [braittot] - viz. Kallah 8. [se any Artscroll Siddur with commentary. The Inter-linear is on page 582 in the notes
Hence, we have a contradiction! The Siddurim are correct and there is an error in the Talmud - albeit not an egregious error. I DO like to keep Mishnah and Braissa as discreet as possible. The hagahos on the Talmud [such as masores Hashas] are very fussy regarding T'nan's vs. Tanya 'sfor this very reason. I am only perpetuating this fussiness, not inventing it. -smile--

KT,
RRW

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

You'd love this blog then:

http://elucidation-not-translation.blogspot.com/

In general, I've found quality with Artscroll to be either quite good or p--s poor.

Their mishnayos and gemaras are quite good although the kavanah with which the project was reputedly started (to put the Kehati and Steinsaltz editions out of business) always plays in the back of my mind. they could also probably get rid of half their footnotes which simply regurgitate what the main text said.

But with their other stuff, well their translation of Shir HaShirim is horrible and patronizing. Their "digests" on seforim from the Sfas Emes and Maharal wind up not teaching you anything in depth about them and the studiously edit out any references to people or events that might contradict the Agudah's version of history.

Anonymous said...

wow, that was a gem! I appreciate rambling, conversational blogs myself - this was very much in the form of your peer, alan yuter (AKA, "alanyuter" - which I half-think is a way of masking his aggendas from his orthodox 'peers' in baltimore should anyone google him) on the UTJ blog; and like he is there, you also seem to have the bulk of posts here...