Sunday 8 November 2009

R'shut Harabbim and 600K, Part 2 the Hilluq

Previously:

«Summary:
A The Talmud in several Braittot on Shabbat 6 mentions the status of Midbar

B The Rambam states it's a RhR

C The Tur AND SA omit Midbar [maybe it deserted them?]

D The SA is ambivalent WRT the 600K issue

Next topic:
Shabbat 6, the Braittot, the question of the Talmud, and Abbaye's answer»

TB Shabbat 6a
«Tannu Rabbanan Arba Reshuyot leShabbat

...

[6b] vlachshov nami midbar?

[Noting that Midbar is omitted from an apparently comprehensive list]

deha tanya eizohi RhR? ..."v'hamidbar"
[Contradiction to Braita #1]

Amar abbayei lo kashya!
A. Kan bizman sheyisrael shruyyin bamidbar
B. Kan bizman hazzeh
This issue of which way is which is debated by Rishonim
Is case A of Abbayei the RhR or the Carmelit? And Converse for Case B

At any rate the SA and the Tur take no sides and omit - apparently consciously[!] - the case of Midbar completely!

While the Rambam is very strange in that he calls EVERY Midbar a. RhR (as per Braitto #2)

This omits Abbaye's Hilluq and seems to make the plain Tanya "trump" a Tanu Rabbanan!

[NB: Tanu Rabbanan's are usually slightly higher in the pecking order than a vanilla Braitto]

Summary:
A the G'mara is split between 2 Braittot re: Midbar
B As per An undisputed Abbaye, there is a definite Hilluq and the braittot are not in dispute, rather they address 2 different scenarios.
C. SA and Tur are silent WRT Midbar
D Rambam re: Midbar takes one side in apparent disagreement with the Talmud's Hilluq

Preview of coming attractions:

What say Rashi and Tosafot?

And what light do they shed upon the Rambam's position?

KT
RRW

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